I bought it for my wife close to 40 years ago, then she decided not to shoot anymore, sad and not so safe. I personally know of more more people surviving being shot with a 9 than a 45acp. One of the biggest I've seen taken was 465lb. DoubleTap.com uses Speer Gold Dots and has some hot loads. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. Eventually. Click below for a FREE LESSON! The 25 loads tested characterize a spectrum of what is available today at retail and have representative samples from the least expensive range ammo to the most advanced self-defense loads made for. I plan to soon buy a 9mm or .45. I have both 45s and 9mm's but I'm not emotionally attached to the 1911 or 45 ACP, it's not better, it's different. AR-9s and other like 9mm platforms. Take all this with a pinch of salt, I'm no expert. Momentum is more important than energy for potency. Another important aspect of muzzle velocity is the difference between the speed at the muzzle and the speed at the target. I have used both and much prefer the 9mm to a .45 ACP. Shot placement and Round choice will be the determining factors for desired outcome. Lets take a look at the selling points of each one to help you decide. I was wondering if Id be losing much by staying with the 4 inch barrel as opposed to the 5 inch. Even the training provided is usually lacking. Velocity: 1,181 ft/s. With the latest 9mm defensive rounds it's come down to choice not effectiveness. Full sized .45 or .50 for when you really mean 'permanent' and final business and .300 BLK fmj rounds through a sbr (I know, tsk, tsk) or tactical pistola for 1200-1300 fps during a full blown war or zombie apocalypse! My military friends please chime in. You can find a calculator for it online yourself as this website doesn't allow you to post comments with URLs in them. just stick to a pistol and out to a max of 16 P.C.C. The test_cookie is set by doubleclick.net and is used to determine if the user's browser supports cookies. I gather he was just Firing the pistol into an effective area. New powders and more advanced bullet designs used only work for the 9mm not 45 acp or 40 S&W? It's much quicker to spray left to right or right to left in front of you than get a gun out. I could not agree with you more on every level. purchase helps support my work in bringing you more awesome gun and gear articles. There really isnt any hydrostatic shock to speak of at handgun cartridge velocities to begin with. I went to work on the Police Dept. You think that you can outshoot a cop? or 38 & 45 both. As you can see, there is a huge difference in bullet velocities from caliber to caliber. And speaking of commentswe had some fun with this video. If you looking for a slugger for something like car defense or home defense. I agree with the writer, owning both and applying to individual situations and preferences is right on the mark. Plus, I think the just plain weight of the 45 carries more "oomph". I chose 45 acp. A 230 grain .452" diameter projectile traveling at 835 fps has a Taylor KO of 12 while a 124 grain .355" diameter projectile traveling at 1150 fps has a Taylor KO of 7. So, which round actually produces more recoil? This is why armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot tank rounds fly at speeds above 5000 fps. Praised for being compact and easier to handle than its .45 ACP counterpart, the 9mm has become one of the most popular rounds in the world. My kind of old LADY,but,she's probably too young for me. My son bought 00 because he thought it was a good idea to be absolutely sure he could take an intruder down, where birdshot might be 'iffy'. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. I would and have felt safe with one. Takeaway? ======================= lbs. 9mm Luger rounds have a deeper penetration than other handgun calibers. Like the logo of a Very Familiar training range: I got rid of my .45 Auto carbine because I found it less effective beyond about 60 yards. Powder: Non-Corrosive. Not in California and some other states that stop you a 10 rounds mags. Youtube, ABOUT US I may be considered old and not moving with the new trends, and all is good and dandy with the 9 mm and all the new ammo development, but if the .45 was good to stop the japs and the Krouts, in my book it is good to stop anyone who wants to harm me or my family. And I don't mean keeping your one pistol in a sock drawer. Increasing the lethality of them is moot since they were already the benchmark. Youre welcome. Compared to the pistol, the average carbine-fired hollowpoint produced slightly less penetration and had a slightly smaller recovered diameter. We hate SPAM and promise to keep your email address safe. BTW, I like the 9mm and .45 pretty much equally and have both calibers. However, I have to admit youre way ahead of us with the second amendment! And yes,if you arent skilled with a hand gun,dont carry until you are. Because out of all my handguns, this is the one I'm most accurate with. No 9mm arguably matches that bullet's performance. The object then becomes to stop your adversary from firing bullets at you. Typically, a 9mm gun muzzle velocity ranges between 950 and 1150 fps depending on the bullet load and grain of the round. The day after the craziness was all over and the police had finished up and gone, the body was gone and everyone was kinda trying to figure out what to do next, the homeowner took stock of the surroundings in the room where he had shot the intruder. As to why heavier projectiles penetrate more than light ones, given similar shapes, is due to conservation of energy. If YOU Do!!". With a .45 you can hit him anywhere, even in the arm or shoulder, and you're going to knock him down. Type your email address and well send You can vaguely cite "muzzle energy" but it ultimately means nothing with so many variables. If you're a professional you should hit what your shooting at, or don't carry. One of the main reasons why military personnel and many LEOs made the switch to 9mm handguns was because of the deeper bullet penetration. I like the Bodyguard, unlike a lot of people. Yes! This is America, not the UK. Thats a fact. Rightfully, the 9mm counter argument is that there is no such thing. Now you must shout for him to get down/leave, because your selected ammunition could possibly over penetrate and harm someone in another room, and hope the situation doesn't escalate to him reacting in instinctive action by charging or shooting at you. Hi Chris. When it comes to the issue of 9mm vs .45, obviously bullet placement and bullet construction is key for stopping an assailant. Muzzle Velocity - 5.7x28mm vs. 9mm. Kind of like when they took away the man stoppin 308 cal m14 and gave them a stinking 223 varmint round to fight a war with in nam. Shoot them both at the same velocity at a block of gelatin. Well, this might rock your world but I recommend getting one of each assuming you have the money. In this situation, youll be glad that you have the faster follow-up speed and a larger magazine capacity of 9mm. More calibers means more gun owners!! Bye, Vendetta? For a carry I use a compact 45. Perhaps the slowing velocity is a factor here, but that seems unlikely to me. The average penetration is as follows: .380 ACP (14.9"), 9mm (17.1"), .40 S&W (17.9"), .357 SIG (18.0"), .45 ACP (18.1"), and 10mm (18.9"). The stand-out loads among those that I tested are again from Lehigh Defense. In a gunfight, the least acceptable hit percentage is 60% and less than 80% should be frowned upon, strongly. But then a .22 in the eye works to. If he dont go down choot em again. 1 ? I did the math wrong in my first comment and thought the 230gr was significantly more total energy . First mag size for home or personal defense holds no water! One of the important aspects of terminal performance is the transfer of energy. With bigger bores, you need only worry about the reliability of your hollow point expanding (after going through material) and going 1012 inches or so in the body to avoid over/under-penetration. If they've conducted studies and have a general opinion the 9mm is better for fire fights in the field, that is a very strong point in favor the the 9mm. measured 12 feet from the gun's muzzle. This can be accomplished two ways. Copyright 2023 Pew Pew Media, Inc. All rights reserved. The subcompact 9mm, is an ideal carry gun but it's lighter weight makes recoil control difficult. Although both mass and velocity contribute to the muzzle energy, the muzzle energy is proportional to the mass while proportional to the square of the velocity. Once you're done watching YouTube videos, come back when you have more real world experience. I wrote a loooong rebuttal to your post, but I lost it so you don't have to read it now! I couldn't decide, so I bought (built actually)BOTH! Believe it or not, hours of chronograph work and loading magazines can get exhausting. However, how about the hollow point bullets that's suppose to stop and explode once they enter the body.Is that a myth or not? I'll stay with my 45. While the 9's, well, they kept on fighting on theor feet. ALL the benefits of both calibers. lbs. It can significantly increase damage in rifle bullet wounds. This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. .45 being a nuclear bomb!!! His first patient was a guy shot right by the belly button. Well this is not the case I give you the words of Randy Garret. 30% is being nice. And that's why an old lady clings to her old 1911 :). The 9mm carbine is rapidly replacing the 12-gauge shotgun in many areas of law enforcement, because it holds more ammunition, makes hits more easily, and has negligible recoil. I had never thought about all this before the day that an Iraq veteran, who loves hunting, told me use a BB gun to shoot rats in your backyard and carry a large magnum as a backup against a hog charging against you. I was working off averages that clearly didn't account for the extreme edge of the versatility of the 45 ACP cartridge. My own belief is that in most cases, people will over-carry for the sake of extra confidence. This article has a ton of ballistic coefficient details but in general, the higher the number, the more aerodynamic it is. If you had a slightly larger gun with a magazine holding seven or eight rounds (or more, such as a double-stack with 10, like a Glock 26) was available, you'd essentially have plenty (in most cases). Look, ultimately both rounds have very similar energy. The difference between the two cartridges in size is dramatic. I can still put a magazine full of .45 ACP right on target fast enough to get yelled at by the range officer. The US military adopted the 38 Long Colt in 1892 thinking service men could carry more ammo and the cost to manufacture and transport would be lower per round. I used .45 ACP and full load .44 Mag in competition. The entrance and exit wound will be bigger (with a good hollow point). back in 1971, couple years ago! So say it has a 500 FPS advantage. If you live in an apartment, or even a neighborhood, there's no way to know what's behind your target. Feel free to cite your real world experience that you keep vaguely referring to. e.g. Left out (one) seemingly small but (very) important step when take action time arrives. However, there might not be enough time for all that. I like both & depending on where I'm going, how long I'll be gone, what I'm wearing & how I'm feeling makes my choice for me. One important fact is the combat readiness, safety and ease of use of the 1911. Gun laws are different in different states. Also, the statement in this article regarding that 9mm's are more comfortable and lighter I feel is only meagerly correct. Nothing against the 9mm, I own several, for the range, not for carry. Share sensitive information only on official, secure websites. "Facts" for silly children, maybe. By clicking Accept All, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. Advancements only apply to 9mm, apparently. For home defence, I have .38 special, 9mm and a 12 GA shotgun squirreled away. Have a nice last couple decades on this planet. Velocity (FPS) Energy (ft/lb) 1135. Therefore, if you are using rifle cartridges for long-range hunting, you not only need to be concerned with muzzle velocity, but you should also understand the rated velocity for the distance you to target. Learn the 3 most popular shooting stances & more. 24 is the SAAMI (industry) standard despite the fact that most .223 ammo is probably fired from an 18 AR-15 barrel. I hope this is of interest, Colin. With the right 357, I can achieve upwards of 1800fps in a 16 barrel. 3. You shouldnt be shooting in long distance situations if its self defense situation. Also, for you suppressor enthusiasts out there, the .45 ACP is an inherently subsonic bullet. Youll do well to pick heavier bullet weights that convey a subsonic muzzle velocity. And this is all before we even talk about the lack of concealability of .45 ACP double stack. 9mm loads frequently deliver a muzzle energy greater than 300 ft lbs. I have owned both and prefer the 1911A1 style and stopping power. It also has a wide selection of ammunition types. Go ahead, cite your experience. Most of my practice is at 10 yards, I do vary 10 feet to 20 yards. Double tap from the leather in 1.5 seconds. FWIW, I find the 45 recoil is "smoother", whereas 9 & 40 seem to be "sharper", making the muzzle flip harder to recover from. 9mm Luger Results in fps Click here for a Muzzle Energy graph for the tests in this caliber. Those who prefer lightweight 9mm projectiles enjoy lower recoil; If you select heavier bullets benefit from deeper penetration of the target. The article states that the 9mm has caught up to the 45 because of ammo advancements. ERIC! LEOs have completely different considerations. I compete with them all. The domestic manufacture of war material was not remotely able to resupply the entire UK armed forces. Karl, youve clearly done no ballistics research and are relying entirely on anecdotes and your own experience. All will work to some level of effectiveness if you can hit your target. I solved the argument of the 9mm vs the 45acp I have a 10mm and it's the best of both worlds, I am a Competition shooter I have shock sigsauer 9 mm Very unimpressed first of all Sigg Sire that I have the frame is bent It's both in physical and mental ability. TL after me had 116 CQK, and TL after him had over 40 (and a posthumous MOH). My defense weapon is the 45 at this time. I LIKE them all. At home, 12ga and .45 ACP. 12 RD mags, and 15 RD mags that dont take away from the beauty of the gun. The 9mm is easier to conceal but when I am on my Harley I like to carry the 45. Then the spray and pray method was adopted. .45 S&W Shield for concealed and home defense and Glock 17 for shtf all bases covered. Concealability is rarely an issue, so a smaller 9mm really has little advantage. . Or blind them. Loss of speed is tied to a concept of ballistic coefficient,. I believe you can make darn near any caliber and pistol you have just as flexible as the next caliber. My advice is practice, practice, practice!! 9mm defensive brings it on par with 45acp and 40s&w ball - and that is what it needed to meet for it to outperform them since you also get the gains of capacity, less recoil, cheaper, and easier to train with. : If you seek peace, prepare for war. This was the motto of its original manufacturer Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken. Both handguns have a huge following thanks to their popularity and success in the field. I think That's exactly why the 9 is so popular. As to increased penetration, this is only really a concern for LE. If either 5.56 x 45 or 7.62 x 51 are using hollow points or soft points the damage will be greater. I (thankfully) also have an overactive amygdala response that kicks in to take over. As mentioned in the video, over-penetration isnt as big of a problem with the .45 ACP because of its slower, bulky bullets. Feel free to check out these sources: As mentioned by another person's comment above, any more than a couple of rounds down range may escalate the possibility of your prosecution, (Unless you are against multiple attackers.). Remember the reason for the .45. That is simply bologne. of energy. This trumps expansion. As I've said, I guarantee I'll stop an attacker quicker with my 45's than any of my 9mm. The carbine barrel length does not improve the interior, exterior, or terminal ballistics of many popular hollowpoints at all, but the carbine barrel length does push some 9mm hollowpoints into the .357 Magnum bracket in terms of velocity, energy, wound ballistics, and tactical penetration. Comparisons of muzzle velocities of the 4-inch pistol and the 16.5-inch carbine revealed only a 6 percent increase in velocity with the carbine; any muzzle velocity gain depends on the powder's burning characteristics. Of course they would have already wiped us out so that's not really an issue. And, if you are really concerned about penetration on hard targets, then you should probably be carrying a magnum or the .357 SIG or 10mm rounds, not a 9x19mm or .45 ACP. My preference is to pull up the energy graph for nice visual reference. I use Hornady critical defense in both caliber. The fact of the high muzzle velocity will lower the enteral damage done to organs . The same advancements that the 9mm has received, so did the .45. For mid-sized pistols I like .40 S&W which tends to cut the difference in capacity, ammunition cost, projectile mass, and muzzle velocity between 9mm and .45 pretty nicely. Uninterested folks will take it as fact and have a incorrect understanding of life past and present. Hind that is capacity, availability, recoil, etc. I own both 9 and 45 because I enjoy both and in a shtf both will be needed. I believe the opposite, actually: that all Americans should be required to own and be educated on guns . Actually, we ALL have a soul, but only TRUE Christians (born again believers) have a spirit. I have them all. And sure it wont hurt to have extra rounds its just not necessary, people try to bring up the multiple attackers argument and the same applies, 2-4 rounds to end an attack. How about because one half of the world isn't ruled by a racist fascist psychopathic government that's completely ok with genocide. All are in 9mm, we both love our Glocks and Shields. Whilst a Glock 19 does have more capacity than a Glock 30, they are almost identical in size, with only 5 rounds difference in standard magazine capacities. To give you an idea of muzzle velocity statistics, here are a few listed velocities for specific products in some of the most popular cartridges: Whatever works for *YOU* is the best choice. The common reasoning that having more than enough, or having the most you can carry because you can 'never have enough', well, it's not something anyone can make others believe one way or the other. It depends on the body armor (type and quality) as well as the ammunition used. Based on the data above, it appears that almost all loads tested got their greatest percentage increase in velocity up until about a 7" barrel length. An extended double stack .45 mag will give you the larger magazine capacity. hang yourself an old school iron skillet for a target. "ANY GUN will do!! I've modified the trigger pull on mine a bit. A heavy bullet going slow with the same energy as a light bullet going fast will transfer energy to the target better, but won't penetrate as well. So basically range time was paramount. The one that works best for you is the best choice. Hah "settled". We switched to Sigs P226 which was wonderful, but accuracy dropped. I like semi-autos, I like wheel guns too. Well the most elite special forces still use 45 acp, is it because it is better? This is meant to give a clear and uncluttered picture to the consumer or end user in regard to what is currently available off the shelf. It is a dangerous world, much more than most believe. Years ago when 9mm was the craze I purchased a Browning model 39. To say that the 9mm is justbas oowerful than the .44, is totslly nonsense. Although higher velocity projectiles always generate more kinetic energy they clearly do not produce deeper penetration, and when the velocities reach the levels common to today's magnums, the increases in velocity result in significantly reduced penetration. For example, American Eagle makes 9mm full-metal jacket rounds with 115-grain bullets and 147-grain bullets. What is the best Hollow Points for a Glock 19? Another fact if you shoot an assailant far enough away that bullet drop comes into play, you will have problems in court. This is simply not true. I prefer the 45 ever since the military i jus had a thing for the 45 acp although I do own a couple few 9mm's and have favorite pistols in that caliber also love my custom 17. yo prefiero una .45 acp de gran capacidad, p 14, una mega star, una glock en modelos 21 y 30; todas ellas por el gran poder de contundencia. What seemed like moments after making my calls to get .45, I was again on the line with several of the same fine companies to acquire some 9mm. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjW3I71693mAhVGZM0KHXzxCngQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw10DVrk4SswQsgAgCh-Cf28 Advancements in modern defensive ammo technology have helped the 9mm improve by leaps and bounds over the past 30 years. Now, there are already bazillions of guns out there in the US, and Americans are never going to give them up, noway, nohow. In short, we ALL live for ever: the only question is WHERE? It is also something to consider when deciding on a load to purchase that you know will be used in a variety of pistols for a variety of purposes such as IDPA or 3-Gun. As a civilian I shouldnt find myself in a situation in the street to have to shoot into cars and where I live by code all exterior walls are concrete. 9mm: having more range, muzzle velocity, more accuracy(depending on the professionalism of the shooter), less recoil, a smaller cal(meaning the gun will have more capacity) and more penetration(Depending on the grain). ), .45 ACP (447 ft. Provided by Google Tag Manager to experiment advertisement efficiency of websites using their services. Everyone has their own confidence level and may believe what people tell them or what they read. The answer is 40SW. HANDGUN BALLISTICS. I'm not sure 45 is a good choice for bear country, most folks choose a large caliber magnum revolver with bonded solids for that job. This is why K.E. doubled in sizeand since .45 ACP is bigger to start with, it became massive in the end. The Federal 115-grain 9mm ammo has a muzzle velocity of 1,180 fps, while the larger bullet is propelled at 1,000 fps. The velocities displayed are an average taken from six readings. Not to say they didn't die on the street, but once they made it to surgery they survived. Good stopping power and less likely to penetrate walls and hit a bystander. But do please keep up the good work with the site - from a country where only the police are allowed handguns, its like a window on the free world. This is repeated in Winchesters Power Max cartridges. as are some of my other tests. Some can say that you can carry more rounds ina 9mm than a .45. Ok, Id agree thats a pretty reasoned response - its a complex issue (eg. The situation is now dissolved without any bystanders in the background getting injured. I dont understand why a situation in a street would be different than at home. Personalize your experience. Every single bullet, whether its a full-metal jacket, hollow point, or soft nose, can be measured in muzzle velocity. I was a die hard .45 fan but when I got the concealed license, it just wasn't comfortable to carry. This cookie is used to keep track on user informations and reports it to Alexa analytics service. http://www.ballistics101.com/45_acp.php I hand load so my loads are tailored for each gun. I've taken black bear with both the 44 mag. These people think the 9mm shoots magic bullets and the 45 is just slow and heavy. 9mm is not close. American lend-lease foodstuffs accounted for over 10% of Britain's over-all food supply during the war. So if you double tap someone or use Mozambique you are in lots of troubles and you are looking for serious jali time for murder. What an awesome read. A lot of this pissing contest about pistol calibers is very egocentriccentric. Don't be so quick to kill your brother just because his opinion is different than yours . It fires slow and heavy bullets at a lower muzzle velocity than the 9mm and can be suppressed to near-whisper levels. If you conceal carry then there is a 90% chance of bystanders being in your firing line. All this being said, get good with whatever you get, then, just go with. So therefore if you had a smallish gun with 6+1, you'd be covered. The 9mm also has a higher muzzle velocity than the .45 ACP because of its lighter bullets. Thats why baseball bats must be held a certain way because of the grain. I have pistols chambered in .22lr, 9mm Luger, .40 S7W, 357 SIG, and .45 ACP. RIFLE BALLISTICS. **Specialty round for snub nose revolvers (low speed expansion)**, Copyright 2009 | Ballistics101.com | All rights reserved. The 45 has been used by the military FAR longer than 9mm and the 9's are used because they are cheaper, more available and have easier recoils. Hollowpoint should (mostly) negate over penetration. as nickel-plated cases that resist corrosion and optimized propellants that burn quickly to reduce recoil and limit muzzle flash, help ensure that Critical Defense ammo is dependable in every situation. A direct hit to the heart or aortic arch can take as long as 8 seconds to result in unconsciousness. I then fired the same round into the post at an angle from an HK-94 (16 barrel). As for a Defence caliper the 22 or is the most deadliest cartridge for a handgun at 375 yards I can put right between your eyes or I can put it between your ribs and put a hole in your heart. Where do I stand on the 9mm vs .45ACP debate? Veteran SWAT freeze. I have both I like the 45 but I love the 9 mm, Agreed. I am good with it, plenty of muscle memory and everything flows easily. .45 is for nostalgia crazed red necks that can't let go of the past. The Glock is my every day carry. Good evening! I do like shooting the .45acp But a 1911 commander as much as I love it, is harder to fit in my pocket. It fits an extended grip 14RD+1 so there's 51 RDs. But that does not make them the best. which should I use a 9 mm or a .45? wrapped in plastic and carried in chest pocket for the sauve qui peut event that could occur on a 5 Man patrol: weapon broken or having to swim River to E&E. Well written article. The 45 exhibited less muzzle jump than my 9mm. For more than 30 years, the Beretta M9 and M9A1 have been the standard sidearm of the US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps. ) or https:// means youve safely connected to the .gov website. Any high penetration rounds for handguns beyond fmj are usually considered as "armor piercing" and therefore illegal in the us. This is criminal. Maybe for law enforcement but not personal defense situation. Its not the same underpowered round that the FBI abandoned in the early 1980s. In the real world a single hit with a .45 will stop him. or 44 Mag. I don't think the debate will ever be answered. Ive been reading these articles for years and most of them are skewed in favor of the 9 by ammo selected for the test.They pick the hottest 6 9mm and the weakest 6 45s and shoot jello. This really is a science, but I benefited from reading a lot before I purchased, whereas my son didn't. At such a distance a 45 round would be a lot more effective than a 9. If you have to reassess after every shot, then that first shot needs to count. So I agree with having both. Does anybody have one of these that can state how their carrying experience has been? My original TL is credited with 30-40 at Son Tay. Unfortunately, this benefit may be completely canceled out in some states due to magazine restrictions. heyre still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. Testing conditions were 50 degrees Fahrenheit with full sunlight. (btw; I cast, coat and load 40, 41 & 45 Colt). Walk away But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. Old, Fat and Slow will do the job on the other hand depending on clothing choices I've been know to carry a 9mm or a 380 and I'm comfortable with having the choice, 10mm If they are still coming you have to be able to keep shooting. This testing is very valuable to many 9 mm shooters. That federal gun control laws are hard to come by because of all of the above. Get free updates when we add new tips, articles and more! The FNX 45T and a few others hold around 15 rounds. He paused, held up his pinkie, and said, "And if you hit a man right here," (raising said pinkie), "he's going down." The best bullet will fail, if shot placement is poor. But the greater concern is, that Judges in my country do not like defensive shooting. As if the 9mm is the only benefactor of "ammo advancement", well, I also have the awesome 460 Rowland which overlaps 44 Magnum power levels in a 13 round Glock 21 magazine. 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